Hi @DisruptionJoe, first of all, thank you for taking the time to develop this proposal.
From SEEDGov we agree that DAOs need employees facilitating operations. In the past, we have proposed the introduction of the facilitator/facilitators concept without much consensus.
Then the DAO opted to introduce Entropy in a kind of role that (at least in our view) incorporates governance facilitation tasks, especially for drafting proposals, designing governance processes, and pushing initiatives that may have been around this forum but did not have enough consensus/maturity to become something more.
Now, all of this covers only a part of the DAO operations and this proposal is looking to solve some tasks not covered by other people/SPs in the DAO.
Therefore the motivation from our perspective is valid, although we would like to provide some feedback and ask questions on some points where we have doubts.
With Joe’s potential participation in the proposal “Establishing a dao events budget for 2025” we would like to be sure that Joe can handle all the responsibilities or how you plan to distribute responsibilities.
To be 100% honest and as we have already mentioned in the telegram group, this feels somewhat rushed, it is a proposal where the DAO is basically hiring full time employees for a highly important task. While it is true that the economic risk is “limited” to the cost of salaries, shortening the pre-vote discussion to just five days seems insufficient to us if you are looking to get feedback from as many delegates as possible.
While we understand that times in governance are slow, we do not believe that shortening the discussions should be the solution, which may result in the proposals not being of sufficient quality to obtain the expected results, as mentioned in one of the motivations for this proposal:
From SEEDGov we seek to avoid setting a dangerous precedent in terms of the discussion time of proposals prior to Snapshot. While we understand that this is a non-binding vote for the DAO, it is important to give delegates the necessary time to form an opinion or provide feedback.
Another detail we would like to point out is that if Snapshot is sent to Snapshot on October 10, voting will end on the 17th (Thursday) and (following the schedule approved in Improving Predictability in Arbitrum DAO’s Operations) it should be sent to Tally on Monday, October 21 so that voting starts on Thursday, October 24 (instead of the 17th as mentioned in this timeline). We make this clarification because these additional days between Snapshot and Tally could give delegates more time to share their rationale and perhaps provide valuable feedback before the proposal reaches Tally.
Regarding the Governance Reporting Calls, we understand that @AlexLumley is currently in charge of them. Have you received any remuneration from the Foundation for this purpose or should a retroactive payment be considered?
What would be the proposals you have taken as a reference? 200k to hire two people for six months represents about 200k per person per year or almost 17,000 USD per month. If we compare it to this source which usually provides higher data than the rest of the sites) it would be almost double the average for an Operations Manager in the United States. Our suggestion is to start with $120,000 for the first six months and evaluate the incorporation of a small OpEx budget (if it was already considered in the first estimation please make a breakdown for further analysis).
It is important to mention that if you have taken Entropy’s proposal as a reference, although in both cases exclusivity is offered, the nature of the tasks in both proposals is different. The Accountability deliverables have a lower complexity than the objectives proposed by Entropy and the Alignment and Throughput deliverables (which in principle could provide much value to the DAO and be more complex) are proposed as bonuses with a low probability of execution during these six months.
While salaries often vary from person to person, tasks are one of the main components to consider when evaluating how much to pay. Are those tasks you performed in exchange for these 150k per year comparable to this job?
Here we would like to point out that the tasks related to Accountability are of monthly cadence and its load could increase as new proposals to “oversight” or that need operational support appear. It is unlikely that the rest of the proposed “bonuses” will be executed at the same time as the Accountability vertical, being only two people.
Finally, we agree with @thedevanshmehta that some kind of collaboration or alignment with @Entropy would be fruitful not only for synergistic purposes but also for the oversight he mentions. Needless to say, we are interested in @Entropy’s opinion on this proposal.