Proposal: Accelerating Arbitrum - leveraging Camelot as an ecosystem hub to support native builders

Fair enough, you’ve made some valid points and I respect your opinion. They have stated their willingness to make adjustments to satisfy the Arbitrum community with the proposal and ensure it benefits everyone. That’s the purpose of debating the proposal before it goes to the snapshot vote

Batches of 4M per year seem reasonably safe and still appealing, although I’m not an expert and don’t believe such a small amount would have the desired effect of attracting many users back to the chain

The significance of doxxing has diminished in recent times, imo it’s not something we should worry about but I do agree with some of the other points you raised

I’m not panicking ser* it’s just evident that many dudes migrated to other chains shortly after the airdrop and since then, the entire ecosystem has felt stagnant and less active despite the impressive metrics you mentioned

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LMAO

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It’s going to directly monopolize the entire ecosystem of projects and make any other dexes noncompetitive. All the revenue from the ARB Dao funded emissions go directly to GRAIL holders. It makes me sick watching people pass this off as “selfless” when its so clearly set up to stifle competition and use the arbitrum dao funds to make sure that every project in the ecosystem has their liquidity on Camelot. You cannot deny how much of a competitive advantage that is.

The Camelot team has enough ARB in their multisig to start doing this right now.

It was smart to buddy up with a bunch of ecosystem projects who of course want free incentives. If you really want ecosystem projects to have incentives, why not we give ARB to individual projects and they can choose what to do with the ARB to best support their protocols liquidity. Oh wait, the Arbitrum foundation did exactly that and Camelot is sitting on it’s 2.2m ARB bag while they beg on the forum for 12m more.

If the goal is to make sure all ecosystem projects have incentivized liquidity, why not just incentivize uni v2 liquidity which is a hell of a lot more efficient from an incentives/tvl standpoint than Camelot and the UI actually works.

The truth is that the goal is not to selflessly give projects liquidity for their token. It’s to make sure all the liquidity is on Camelot, without Camelot having to pay a dime or dilute their own token more than they already are.

You don’t become a successful defi project by grifting grants programs. It’s worked temporarily in the past but I have enough confidence in Arbitrum governance to vote down this trash proposal into the ground like it should be. I really hope there are enough level headed folks in this ecosystem to see through this garbage. Anyone with a brain (and no GRAIL bags) can see what a dumb idea this is.

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Exciting times ahead, let’s keep building #Arbitrum!

Are you new to open market capitalism? Giving a grant to well-deserving loyal candidates does not mean anything in terms of how future market participants will fair. Arbitrum should be giving grants to those that have been loyal since its inception, while Uniswap volume is 300m more than the next dex. Loyalty should be rewarded to projects who built, stayed and are trying to help others succeed in this ecosystem.

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Oh, dear thou, from whence shall I commence? :smile: 'Tis akin to beholding a grandiose saga unfolding within the realm of cryptocurrency. “Monopolize the entirety of the ecosystem,” thou sayest. Ah, now that dwelleth within the realm of malevolent super-villainy. :man_supervillain: I can almost envision the wicked mastermind behind Camelot, gleefully plotting to conquer the world!
And let us not disregard the semblance of “selflessness” whilst stifling competition. Ah, yea, naught doth epitomize selflessness more than ensuring the absence of any rivals! :roll_eyes: 'Tis genuinely heartwarming to behold such magnanimity in action. Who needs equitable competition when one can revel in a monopoly, prithee?
However, pray to tell—wherefore should we bestow ARB upon individual projects when Camelot can luxuriate in its opulent stash of 2.2 million ARB and petition for more? Other projects, it seemeth, requireth no such incentives. They may merely observe from the periphery as Camelot taketh center stage. How considerate! :performing_arts:
Moreover, wherefore should we concern ourselves with cumbersome user interfaces and coherent incentives when Camelot beckons? 'Tis like comparing a humble bicycle to a majestic rocket ship. Verily, the bicycle may suffice, but why settleth for it when one can embraceth a rocket ship that may or may not detonate upon liftoff? :rocket:
Yet, let us not forget the cardinal rule of triumphant DeFi projects: cunningly exploit grant programs as if there were no tomorrow! 'Tis the secret ingredient to prosperity, is it not? Step aside, toil and innovation, for 'tis the art of exploiting that prevails! :money_with_wings:
But fear not, valiant souls of the Arbitrum governance! With thy sagacious temperament and discerning intellects (and, perchance, devoid of GRAIL holdings), thou shalt assuredly quell this abominable proposal and salvage the day. :ballot_box: For who hath need of foolish notions when wisdom and clarity illume the path?
Thus, my dear comrade, let us revel in the surreal absurdity of it all, forsooth! 'Tis a rare breed of genius required to concoct such an elaborate scheme. May the divine comedians observe this spectacle with mirthful delight. :smile::performing_arts:

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He’s exaggerating btw, we did not say this lol. As a fellow DEX I think it’s in our best interests to not be involved in the discussion here as it could get tribal. Will be watching closely however as this is an interesting proposal.

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Oh, dear thou, from whence shall I commence? :smile: 'Tis akin to beholding a grandiose saga unfolding within the realm of cryptocurrency. “Monopolize the entirety of the ecosystem,” thou sayest. Ah, now that dwelleth within the realm of malevolent super-villainy. :man_supervillain: I can almost envision the wicked mastermind behind Camelot, gleefully plotting to conquer the world!
And let us not disregard the semblance of “selflessness” whilst stifling competition. Ah, yea, naught doth epitomize selflessness more than ensuring the absence of any rivals! :roll_eyes: 'Tis genuinely heartwarming to behold such magnanimity in action. Who needs equitable competition when one can revel in a monopoly, prithee?
However, pray to tell—wherefore should we bestow ARB upon individual projects when Camelot can luxuriate in its opulent stash of 2.2 million ARB and petition for more? Other projects, it seemeth, requireth no such incentives. They may merely observe from the periphery as Camelot taketh center stage. How considerate! :performing_arts:
Moreover, wherefore should we concern ourselves with cumbersome user interfaces and coherent incentives when Camelot beckons? 'Tis like comparing a humble bicycle to a majestic rocket ship. Verily, the bicycle may suffice, but why settleth for it when one can embraceth a rocket ship that may or may not detonate upon liftoff? :rocket:
Yet, let us not forget the cardinal rule of triumphant DeFi projects: cunningly exploit grant programs as if there were no tomorrow! 'Tis the secret ingredient to prosperity, is it not? Step aside, toil and innovation, for 'tis the art of exploiting that prevails! :money_with_wings:
But fear not, valiant souls of the Arbitrum governance! With thy sagacious temperament and discerning intellects (and, perchance, devoid of GRAIL holdings), thou shalt assuredly quell this abominable proposal and salvage the day. :ballot_box: For who hath need of foolish notions when wisdom and clarity illume the path?
Thus, my dear comrade, let us revel in the surreal absurdity of it all, forsooth! 'Tis a rare breed of genius required to concoct such an elaborate scheme. May the divine comedians observe this spectacle with mirthful delight. :smile::performing_arts:

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Why? Why does this project get such a big sponsorship, and what benefits does it bring us?

i can’t think of a better dex on arbi to be able to pull this off. maybe you have a better candidate in mind?

they said that 2.2M they received is for governance purposes. do your homework better next time.

incentivize uniswap?! are you serious? what have they done exclusively for the ecosystem? take a break dudee you’re sucking out nonsense from your finger kekkek

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now we’re talking! 12M is nice, maybe a bit too much, but considering the number of projects this would involve, it actually doesn’t seem like enough kek. this is the first proposal on the forum that I’m pumped for. this needs to happen. It feels like arbi season is on the horizon with this proposal in place. let’s make it happen and we can have an ecosystem party again, like the good ol times kekeke

big yes coming straight from the matrix

are you going to choose the red or blue pill anon?

see you on the other side

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With Uniswap v4 on the horizon, now might be a more questionable time than ever to further subsidize ponzinomics-based DEXes.

Astroturfing aside, Camelot has not demonstrated greater capital efficiency than competitors nor does it account for a sizeable share of the AMM volume.

In particular, incentivising core pairs strike me as a way to piss out money for the sake of GRAIL holders. Uniswap v3, Curve and Balancer have deeper effective liquidity there.

Given the generous ARB airdrop Camelot received, the dex should use a slice of it for incentives similar to their stated plan, as proof-of-concept.

Then, if metrics follow, come back to the table with your proposal. Perhaps toned down so the grant ask doesn’t outpace market cap, let alone generated fees…

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it looks like you spent the whole day pulling your hair out here

honest question who do you work for? you seem very passionate about the whole thing kekek

I want to remind everyone that Camelot is a deeply inefficient dex which hasn’t done anything in helping Arbitrum and has only become somewhat relevant because of absurd token emissions and predatory fee structure

This mediocre project is not in any position to ask for free money from Arbitrum.
This proposal is simply unacceptable.

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it may accelerate liquidity inflows for 6 months, but these will be gone right after emissions stop.

Camelot asking for 12M ARB while offering 0 innovation. Just ponzinomics and a forked DEX that doesn’t even have a working UI after 6 months since launch. You can’t make this up.

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I’m hundred percent I support of it.

The proposal to grant a total of 12 million $ARB for liquidity is may be acceptable for an arbitrum-focused dex. But there are still some unclear points here.

  • There’s a huge liquidity increase after this proposal, from 2M to 11M, as we can see from Camelot statistics. Also, as we check the latest transactions, there’s some addresses making fake volumes in order to swapping
  • Camelot already granted with 6M previously
  • Camelot already has many partners to provide liquidity
  • Someone wrote, i’ll cause a monopoly behind Arbitrum DEX’s, which is true.
  • If you’ve got the power to inquire, all DEXes in Arbitrum can seek large amounts of grant money.

So how are you going to deal with these problems. Please let us know.

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Allow me to commence by stating that this proposition has indeed sparked a wave of individuals, myself included, to establish accounts and actively participate in the forum. I believe this to be a significant stride in the right direction for Arbitrum.

Furthermore, it’s worth noting that I am a holder of $ARB, $GRAIL, as well as other projects on Arbitrum such as $JONES and $PLUTUS, among others.

It appears that many individuals are reacting solely to the quantity without taking the time to actually peruse the proposal. Yes, 12 million ARB tokens may appear substantial, but when utilized to directly benefit numerous Arbitrum protocols, it becomes a reasonable allocation. It’s crucial to consider that this amount is a fraction of the treasury’s total holdings, which stands at a staggering 4 billion tokens. Please, do clarify why 12 million is deemed excessive. Why not 20 million? Examine the multitude of projects this allocation will support, and then attempt to provide a rational response. Several of the responses received thus far border on low-level spam or, at best, mere trolling.

There have been multiple instances where it has been questioned why Camelot is being granted such an advantage and why other DEXs are not being treated equally. If there exist other DEXs that can demonstrate a track record of supporting the ecosystem and onboarding as many protocols as Camelot, I wholeheartedly encourage their supporters to come forth and share their achievements. All DEXs are not created equal, so why should they be treated as such?

Consider this: granting an equal amount of incentives to Uniswap or Traderjoe, for instance, would benefit whom exactly? While Camelot may not boast the highest trading volume, it has undeniably established itself as the native ecosystem DEX, devoting considerable effort to supporting other protocols. No other DEX has exerted such a substantial impact on the native ecosystem. While Uniswap, TJ, and Sushi have undoubtedly contributed to the growth of various chains, their efforts in supporting Arbitrum have been commensurate with those expended on other networks. These protocols are commendable, but they do not possess the same level of commitment to the native ecosystem.

Arbitrum’s network effects are what will solidify its position as the foremost Layer 2 solution. These effects materialize when builders collaborate, as exemplified by Camelot’s Round Table.

Once again, I implore all those individuals who claim that “Camelot does not deserve it” to elucidate who, in their opinion, does deserve it? Denying Camelot a grant would send a dubious signal to builders who wholeheartedly dedicate themselves to advancing the ecosystem.

The argument presented is clear:

  • The Arbitrum DAO possesses a substantial number of tokens that must be allocated for the growth and expansion of the ecosystem.
  • I have yet to encounter another protocol as focused on supporting the ecosystem as Camelot. The sheer number of protocols that Camelot has aided and introduced to the ecosystem solidifies my support for this proposal.
  • If you can identify a protocol that can distribute tokens more effectively and drive significant growth, please urge them to submit a grant proposal. Furthermore, encourage them to suggest an appropriate amount. Would 12 million ARB tokens be deemed excessive in light of your personal biases?
  • If you genuinely believe that 12 million ARB tokens are excessive, I implore you to present a compelling argument as to why. Considering the number of protocols this allocation will support, I am inclined to believe that it is, in fact, too conservative.
  • In today’s landscape, technological superiority is no longer sufficient. Countless Layer 1 and Layer 2 solutions are vying for both users and builders. While Arbitrum holds a strong position, it must capitalize on opportunities like this to foster further expansion.
  • If 12 million ARB tokens are deemed excessive and Camelot is deemed unworthy, I eagerly await alternative suggestions for their allocation. Failing to pass this proposal would send an extremely pessimistic signal to the rest of the ecosystem, potentially driving users and builders toward platforms where resources are already actively being utilized.

I will be voting FOR this proposal.

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why is camelot using their arb allocation for governance instead of using that to distribute to the LPs named in the proposal

tldr give arb emissions so i don’t have to dilute grail holders

where’s the skin in the game for camelot? how does this benefit arb holders

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Camelot is like 7 months old. This “track record” is just them pumping out emissions to ecosystem projects while early in their emissions cycle, just like literally every other dex has done. Camelot has not done anything substantial from an amm tech standpoint, an efficiency standpoint, or really anything else for that matter. They are just a new dex with a fresh emissions schedule that came late to the arbitrum game and is now trying to monopolize it.

Acting like arbitrum needs to give 12m arb to a 15m Mcap project or else arbitrum will fail is a joke of a statement.

No dex deserves to monopolize the dex ecosystem on arbitrum. Does that answer your question? Give the arb to projects to allocate wherever they wish if you so desperately think ecosystem projects require LM incentives.

You should read the thread.

  1. The current grants allocation is 4m total, this is 3x that
  2. this is way more than any individual project has received in the original dao allocation
  3. The amount being asked for is equal to entire grail market cap

I could go on and on but i think the answers of why it’s “excessive” have been discussed but you just haven’t read it.

You wrote a lot of words to say nothing. Hope people aren’t being fooled by this bullshit.

Man this makes me want to fork an amm and build a shitty ui so i can be the savior of arbitrum.

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