Hi Neiltbe,
Taylor was paid by ApeSwap and carried out this work as part of his responsibilities for the ApeSwap DAO, along with other team members. As a member of the team, we would not create such a document for each interaction and presentation, it would be covered by an NDA.
Apeguru makes a good point too, this is not about any individual person. SushiSwap knew this work belonged to ApeSwap from our partnership discussions, yet they chose to present it as their own.
Would you be so kind to point me out where myself or ApeSwap claimed to conceptually own bonds?
I believe you are still missing the point here. This is just a matter if principle, integrity and showing the world what is actually going on behind the scenes.
I would be flattered and proud if Sushi forked my bond contracts, which I proudly derived from Olympus Pro over 18 months ago. I have nothing to hide, and I don’t consider myself a clown for forking code or using existing code to create something I consider more fit, most of our industry is built out of this (including Sushi).
If you believe the issue at hand is forking open source code, you are still missing the point. Because Sushi does not even have such product or code, and I would not mind if they did, yet they took the liberty to steal our proposal under the pretext of a joint venture.
Anyway, this is the end of my replies. I am happy to provide more information to the Arbitrum team and delegates as required. I am done partaking on this show and answering random rants from the Sushi team.
Regards.
Seems like the crux of the matter is whether the work done belongs to the individual contributor or ApeSwap. If it does indeed belong to ApeSwap, then the onus is on Apeswap to furnish the relevant documents to back this claim up.
Otherwise, the case is closed since the idea and proposal does not belong to Apeswap and hence there is no wrongdoing on Sushi’s part.
How can an idea for bonds belong to Apeswap? This is what I am trying to understand. There’s a proposal for an idea of a “bond program” & now there’s an allegation that Taylor could not leave the DAO & go solo / team up with a separate DAO? He states very clearly that Apeswap has no claim to his ideas or work.
You then have “Bond Protocol” above suggesting they had the idea for bonds and Apeswap forked their contracts to copy them.
What is the actual allegation? Apeswap owns the conceptual idea of bonds? Or that a crypto project like Sushi can’t team up with ex-contributors of DAO’s to pursue projects in crypto?
How does that make sense?
This is why I am asking what has been “stolen”, “infringed”, “violated” to suggest Taylor or Sushi has done something wrong? Or what exists to assert Apeswap has blanket control over ideas for bond programs?
It seems the goalposts have now shifted and the claim has gone from something of value was stolen from Apeswap to our idea to do a bond proposal was copied. I think Taylor has made it pretty clear that he left and his work was his own. Free to take his ideas for proposals with him.
Absolutely, @ChronoFury. I couldn’t agree more. Respectfully, I authored the proposal—plain and simple. I retained my work as a contractor and moved on for various reasons. It is impossible to steal from oneself, and therefore Sushi unquestionably had no involvement in what is being alleged here.
I think that someone needs to point out that this allegedly stolen proposal by Sushi is blatantly asking for 50 million ARB with no product or track record.
Efe, it’s good to see you participating on the forums.
As the author of the proposal I am the sole owner of it. Whom I choose to collaborate with is 100% up to me. Again, nothing was stolen as it is impossible to steal from oneself.
Taylor,
You were paid ApeSwap for working on this, you signed an NDA to say that work produced is owned by ApeSwap, you accepted a severance agreement that also stated work is owned by ApeSwap. You’re leaving us very little option but to start pursing this legally.
Hi, Apeswap team. This is Jared, Head Chef at Sushi. At this point, we’re requesting your legal representative’s contact information. Please contact this account via DM and provide the relevant contact information. We ask you to provide this information within 24 hours.
Hi all,
I can see there is a discussion between Sushi and ApeSwap about the ownership of the bond program.
I want to highlight that Delegates can take all this into consideration when casting their vote.
It is best for both teams to take this discussion offline for now, and in a few days, to come back with a resolution, especially since there is now a call for legal representatives.
We will unlock this thread in a few days. Give an opportunity for both teams to discuss offline.