LTI Pilot Program Position Application Thread

After consideration Treasure’s Arbitrum Representative Council (ARC) would like to share the following feedback.

LTIPP Council [snapshot] - Abstain

Unfortunately due to the voting structure for the LTIPP Council position we were unable to vote in this proposal. This is because the Snapshot vote listed a stipulation “Applicants may not vote for themselves” (including DAO-elected members of Treasure’s Arbitrum Council who were candidates for the LTIPP Council position). This significant restriction on voting was never publicly discussed or privately shared with Treasure as a significant delegate prior to the elections processes going live.

Upon further query the LTIPP program team confirmed that Treasure would be ineligible to use their delegated votes in support of any Treasure Community members participating in the election. This meant that Karel, Phil and Ali’s applications, as Treasure Community members, could not be voted for by Treasure as a delegate. We were instructed that, even if we did vote for these candidates on Snapshot, a manual reconciliation would take place after voting finished which would see the Treasure votes discounted if used to support any of these individuals.

We believe this framework represents a major failure in Arbitrum’s governance process.

We, as representatives of the Treasure Community, are trusted to actively engage in voting on their behalf. It is in the best interest of our community to support candidates who can effectively advocate for gaming-related matters in this position. However, the restriction on voting for specific Treasure-affiliated individuals hinders our ability to truly represent the community’s interests in the governance process, thereby disconnecting our delegate base from DAO governance.

This limitation also poses a strong disincentive for Treasure to participate in the voting process generally as utilising our significant voting power for other applicants would diminish the chances of success for any affiliated candidates in the nomination process. As a result this rule risks discouraging meaningful overall governance participation, both for us and for other delegates with affiliated candidates they hope to see successfully nominated.

We would recommend that the restriction “candidates may not vote for themselves” be removed. We feel this rule is subjective, arbitrary, logically flawed and actively undermines the rights of token holders who have delegated their votes to Treasure.

LTIPP Advisors [snapshot] - Voted

As no Treasure Community member was seeking selection for the Advisor position, and to our knowledge no significant delegate was representative in the possible candidates list, we felt comfortable progress with our vote as normal.

In our Council Advisor vote, we prioritised candidates who demonstrated suitable qualifications and experience with grants, incentive design and data analysis coupled with a proven track record of impact and effectiveness. The selected individuals include members of a group who have historically been active in Arbitrum and who we believe are capable of taking on more substantial responsibilities. We believe our overall selection reflects a commitment to bringing together serious, capable, and dedicated individuals to contribute meaningfully to Arbitrum DAOs success

Supported applications were as follows:

  • Serious People
  • Travis Skweres
  • SEEDLatam Gov
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Reserved to share feedback on voting

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Hey @Matt_StableLab, not sure if I missed something in other posts, but this felt like the best place to ask this…

Will there be adjustments to the Tally vote to account for delegates who voted improperly (4+ votes for the Advisor role, 6+ votes for the Council). There seemed to be a lot of that happening, some of which from large enough delegates it may have materially altered the results.

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Hi, I just looked into this and can at least say that ignoring all votes that voted for 4 or more choices would not have changed the results.

This shows all votes that specified more than 3 choices (some had “Abstain” as a 4th choice).

(Only the voters within the top 50-voting-powers are shown directly, the other 3+ votes are aggregated in “Rest”.)

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This election was not at all conducted in a proper way no clear guidelines no transparency nothing it felt like the authors just want to rush into things and get the money in their wallets.

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Hey @Bob-Rossi,

Thanks for pointing this out. We have gone through and found all improper votes. Below we have displayed all voters with more than 50K ARB that voted for too many applicants. After removing these improper votes the results from both elections remain the same.

Advisor

Address Votes Voted For
0xb5B069370Ef24BC67F114e185D185063CE3479f8 7M Boardroom, Serious People, SEEDLatam Gov, JoJo
0xAD16ebE6FfC7d96624A380F394cD64395B0C6144 1.3M Boardroom, Castle Capital, SEEDLatam Gov, JoJo
0x560b03B06eF02B24F994e470d949008cda5e1841 924k Boardroom, Castle Capital, SEEDLatam Gov, JoJo
0x400e3aB48b2cCd2420EC04BA0ee9c94Bb54a0b1C 424k Everyone
0x070341aA5Ed571f0FB2c4a5641409B1A46b4961b 280k Boardroom, Castle Capital, SEEDLatam Gov, JoJo
0xBEC643BD5b7F5e9190617CA4187ef0455950C51C 120k Boardroom, Castle Capital, SEEDLatam Gov, JoJo
0x7973E953321f99cEa25b3CCEEeAA7d83dA827d77 60k Everyone
0xaAFDd78aF4f90AB649b94E5ef8430d27174a084C 58k Everyone
0xC560d89d663b31110e164354C6377d8845ed4db3 56k Everyone

Vote Count After Removing Invalid Votes

JoJo - 145M ARB
SEEDLatam Gov - 129M
Castle Capital - 111M
Serious People - 102M

Council

Address Votes Voted For
0xd4382Aa8F0e173C53A80ba5d8345e46a183F84Ed 1.9M 404, dumbird, GFX, GMX, The Rollup, Wintermute
0x400e3aB48b2cCd2420EC04BA0ee9c94Bb54a0b1C 424k Everyone
0x80071b39aA896aa12240c5194E42661D671bDFB2 81k 404, GFX, GMX, The Rollup, Ian Campbell, Karel Vuong, Karpatkey, Wintermute
0x7973E953321f99cEa25b3CCEEeAA7d83dA827d77 60k Everyone but 1isla.eth
0xaAFDd78aF4f90AB649b94E5ef8430d27174a084C 58k Everyone
0xC560d89d663b31110e164354C6377d8845ed4db3 56k Everyone

Vote Count After Removing Invalid Votes

GFX Labs: 113M
404 DAO: 81M
Wintermute: 80M
Karel Vuong: 75M
GMX: 74M
Joseph [Immutable Lawyer]: 73M

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Ehy Matt I will answer this as well since with @Bob-Rossi we were chatting yday about it.

His goal was not to discuss the election result. It was to asses the behavior of voters in relationship to the tools we have.

We probably need a bit of a broader discussion, which is off topic to ltip but of which ltip is an example, about facilitating the “proper” behvaiour of voters through toothe right tools and the right setting of these tools.

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@Matt_StableLab good to see the results were unaffected, thank you for checking that!

Like @JoJo had mentioned, I will probably be bringing up for discussion if the DAO has an appetite for formalizing standards for elections like this. Both with what tools do we have to prevent enforce proper voting by all delegates so we don’t have to worry about adjustments at the end, as well as if we need to make election results held until voting is closed. I think having the results open during the election can lead to voters weighting their decision towards affecting the final slot versus who they actually want to vote for.

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When will the application period for DAOs start @Matt_StableLab

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